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Since its introduction for financial reasons back in 2005, marriage in Torn has served many purposes aside from the obvious curtailment of sexual relations between two people. Having started as a means of acquiring benefits and enabling the sharing of resources, marriage also gives couples the chance to form or declare a real-life friendship, as well as offering protection to each other in times of need.
As such, many of these unions have endured to the present day, with the longest active marriage between Bladerunner and Warchild lasting 11 years, 8 months and 21 days - until they broke up last Wednesday.
The reasons for this breakup will be made clear in due course, but first, let us examine what we mean by the term "active marriage". No doubt many may dispute Bladerunner and Warchild's claim for the longest union, but theirs is (or at least was) certainly the lengthiest marriage where both partners remain active and alive in Torn City.
Torn's first official marriages took place in 2005 after new legislation was introduced and several thousand unofficial unions were summarily annulled to the delight of unsatisfied spouses everywhere. Our first documented union took place between noted philanthropist The_Hamster and 277539 on 26th March 2005. However, since The_Hamster has been proven to be an alias for someone operating as an NPC, and his partner has been missing presumed dead for over a year, their partnership does not qualify for the status of Torn's longest marriage.
Torn's second-ever marriage brought 142 and Jollyranchers together in holy matrimony on the 30th of March 2005. Unfortunately, much like 277539, these two have both been missing for quite some time, and in the absence of any evidence to the contrary, this reporter feels safe in declaring them both legally dead. Technically speaking, two people do remain married after death, but the day you dig up your grandparents' corpses to celebrate their Platinum anniversary is the day this paper will come to recognise the enduring marriage of 142 and Jollyranchers.
Unless they turn up alive, of course.
One of the strongest claims to the crown of the longest active marriage in Torn City comes from Xeno and Goldenknight. Theirs is the fourth oldest overall, having begun on the 21st of April 2005. But while Xeno remains active in Torn as of today, Goldenknight has been missing since Monday May 8th 2007, her disappearance coming just two years into their marriage.
Despite the prospect of antagonising someone who almost certainly keeps their wife's decomposed body under the stairs, I asked Xeno about his unusual situation and the circumstances leading up to his partner's sudden and prolonged disappearance.
Xeno has refused to comment on this matter thus far.
Another man who finds himself in this situation is War_Machine_66, who married Evil_Wacky on 9th May 2005. Evil_Wacky disappeared four years ago in April 2013, just one month before their eight year anniversary - a milestone marked in Torn by the exchanging of saliva.
Something else exchanged by Torn's married couple is messages. And, while BadDutchie and Habanero's union is nowhere near as long as some, theirs is by far the most communicative relationship in all of Torn, as they hold the top two spots on Tornstats for the most messages sent to their spouse.
BadDutchie and Habanero celebrated their 1400th day of marriage yesterday, and throughout this period it seems they've barely gone a day without speaking. At the time of writing, this couple is 261 shy of sending 100,000 messages between each other, with BadDutchie the more talkative of the two having sent 50,088 to Habanero's paltry 49,651.
So, the question on everyone's mind is obvious. What the hell do you find to talk about?
"We talk about all kind of stuff from the weather over music, running, what happens around the world and of course the game. We do use iRC but not during daytime when we both are at work." - BadDutchie
"Let's just say we do talk a lot, and that's about almost anything. We don't use chat much, mostly the faction chat during chaining, but we do use IRC a ****ing lot too." - Habanero
Habanero and BadDutchie met elsewhere before Habanero moved to Torn. BadDutchie joined him three days later, and three days after that the pair were married. Intriguingly, the pair reacted differently when I told them how often they spoke to each other, especially when I revealed that it equated to 36 messages per day.
"I wasn't exactly surprised, after all in that former game we had a lot of msg's send too." - BadDutchie
"I was like ****, do we really talk that much?" - Habanero
The discrepancy between their responses was interesting. I wondered how they might reply when I asked them further questions, such as how much their relationship revolved around Torn and achieving success here, whether their union consisted of general friendship or more, and why their relationship was especially strong. Habanero went first.
"I guess that some people you just get along with from the very first moment you meet, and that's what happened when she busted me out of jail. Show love and respect mate, and never be too proud to say sorry if you somehow **** up and ofc being best friends."
"For me communication is a huge part of Torn life, if there wasn't a in game msg part of Torn, we wouldn't be here. And it helps a lot, from the good morning msg, to running the company, buying stocks etc. so yes the day is organise with messages, and lots of them."
"If you marry to get a PI, then there ain't really no need to talk, just pay the rent. But those who get closer, communication will come naturally, perhaps not as much as BadDutchie and I, but it will come and be a part of it all...we often have more convos going at a time, but 60/40 (in favour of Torn business) might be close."
BadDutchie backed up Habanero's assessment of Torn's business-like marriages often being devoid of real friendship, and she also waxed lyrical about why she enjoyed her spouse's company over anyone else.
"I think the secret is the fact we know each other from long before Torn. We respect each other and due the long time we know each other there is trust between us. He was always easy to talk too and in time I've started to like the way he's always honest in what he say and mean, I also like his competitivity a lot but the most I like about him is the fact he don't judge people on their past."
"Most marriages in Torn are just done for the benefits and has most of the time nothing to do with real friendship. To me Habanero is more than just a spouse in an internet game, he became a true friend and yes I believe that if people would be more open, more honest they could benefit from it."
Heartfelt sentiments indeed. Will BadDutchie and Habanero's marriage last another 1400 days? And if so, will it do so in spite of or thanks to their constant communication? That is something we will have to wait and see. But now, let us move on to the matter of Torn City's longest marriage where both partners remain active and kicking.
(Doesn't count)
Congratulations in this respect must go to HatEreD and Amoura, who married on the 12th of September 2005 and who both fulfil the condition of being active within the arbitrary 100-day cut-off point plucked out of my posterior. (This marriage will be deemed ineligible should Amoura not return to Torn within 31 days)
Sadly, this is a record which has changed hands over the five days I have been compiling this article, due to the aforementioned breakup between Bladerunner and Warchild. Having wed on the 1st of July 2005, this was a tragic end to a most beautiful partnership, as until the 22nd of March, Bladerunner and Warchild were still going strong more than a decade on from their big day. I interviewed them in the days before their breakup, and the pair were surprised at my revelation that they were indeed the longest married couple.
"I am surprised by those numbers, thought there would be more. We met when I first created the Bad Moons, I was recruiting members and found Blade on the streets trying to survive, so I recruited her into the Moons. Back when we first got Married we used to communicate all the time but then we were both learning the game and we were there to support each other in our daily struggle in surviving the streets of Torn. These days we talk on the odd occasion. Being Married for 11 years and we both have separate lives in separate countries it does make it difficult to actual get together to chat." - Warchild
"I was aware we have been together for a long time but I never thought we were the longest marriage active. We met in a faction he created but he lives in Australia and I live in Spain so it has been no possible to meet each other in the "real" world. At that time-point we were young so we did not think about it a lot. We were getting along quite well so why not to marry? We have been together since then, same faction, supporting each other in difficult moments - I got hacked and lost almost everything and he was always there to help me - helping completing difficult Missions." - Bladerunner
At the time, Bladerunner and Warchild held the 18th longest marriage in Torn City overall, with their status as the longest running couple coming as a result of 4282 consecutive days of wedded bliss. Such a lengthy commitment intrigued me, as I wondered whether either party had ever been tempted to stray, and also if this Torn marriage had ever manifested itself as anything more.
Warchild was the first of the pair to have his say on the matter.
"Blade has only ever been the one, we had a bond when we first started in the Moons and when the marriages was released we took the chance and got engaged and as they say the rest is history. We have never had an argument. Divorce...never, we will always been here for each other."
"Being married was good to help me push myself forward to provide better housing and nice items for Blade, While having friends play them game as well it is always nice to have someone to be special too. In-game it (romance) would be an interesting idea but no, I have been married for 24 years."
Bladerunner was equally enthusiastic about her union with Warchild, and she elaborated on how their relationship had changed after more than a decade of commitment.
"Nowadays we communicate quite less than at the beginning just in our anniversaries and when we need something from each other, yes definitively it is not the same as at the beginning. I could not have done what I have accomplished in the game without him, he is been my guide and support during all these years and I would not play if he is not with me. I took quite a long break 3 years after we got married, I needed a break because of job reasons, I told him and he understood it and waited for me."
Ross and Rachel comparisons aside, the fact that Warchild remained committed to Bladerunner throughout a three-year break is certainly something to be commended. But Bladerunner's last statement prompted a question in my mind. Namely, what are the real life ramifications of devoting yourself to a Torn City marriage for so many years? If said relationship is unromantic, does this have an impact on real life romantic relationships? Is your Torn life kept secret from your real spouse? And furthermore, what do you genuinely know about this person to whom you have dedicated so many years of your life?
Sadly, Bladerunner is yet to respond to my additional requests for communication. But Warchild did, and he had this to say.
"I have always been here for my Faction member for moral support, and a friend chat if they need it, I have needed to console a few member that had to deal with Bad stuff in RL. As in RL be there to support each other when needed."
"A little I know she was a nurse in Barcelona, being a private person myself I have never pushed anyone for details of their Real Life. My best friend (Antman) plays the game and my wife has always known."
To further illuminate how a Torn relationship might impact your real life, I asked Habanero and BadDutchie the same questions. Habanero told me that BadDutchie was the person he spoke to the most, online or offline, despite them never having met during their eight years of friendship.
"Yes...Hmmm, let's just say that I wouldn't log in on Torn as often during working hours, probably be drunk more often, and my runnings would suck if it wasn't for her."
This wasn't the case for BadDutchie.
"Hmm, don't think so although I have to admit we talk a lot. It's kinda hard to say clearly yes or no, after all I do have a life besides Torn.
I then asked BadDutchie whether or not she had anyone outside of Torn who was jealous of her relationship with Habanero. Curiously, she told me that she did not know why someone should be jealous but seemed to stop short of saying whether or not somebody was.
If you or your partner has experienced any negative real-life consequences from being married in Torn City, please get in contact with me at your earliest convenience. But now, let us finally discover why Torn City's longest active marriage was dissolved on the 22nd of March 2017. Had there been an argument? Was one of them preparing to leave the city? Or was there someone else involved?
Well yes, there was. But not in the way you might expect.
Bladerunner's first and so far her only communication with me came at 8 am on the 22nd of March, when she awoke to discover some shocking news.
"I am sorry for the late reply but I have been really busy lately and also yesterday my husband account got hacked and we are no longer married, hope the administrators can fix it."
I made overtures to Warchild for further clarification, and he responded with a slightly different version of events.
"I was not hacked, I was contacted by Abyram saying she was Bladerunner and her account had been hacked. They were very convincing that they were Bladerunner and would redo their account as Blade, as for why, Some people just have no morals."
I found this story to be astonishing and tragic in equal measure. First of all, who would do such a thing? And second, how could someone successfully mimic a person you have known for more than four thousand days? Warchild attempted to explain.
"No idea who Abyram is, and as far as I can tell no one would benefit from us breaking up, Neither of us have made any real enemies of such."
"As for how, I put it down to a complete lack of sleep and some of the phrases they used or just call it stupidity on my behalf, not 100% sure. I can honestly say I have only been scammed a couple of times, but this is by far the worst one I have had."
"It would be great if Ched could restore our status. But I will propose to Bladerunner again and we will put it down to renewing our vows to each."
Do you know who the identity of the mysterious Abyram? Are you aware of their motives? Perhaps the person behind this identity is reading this article. If so, why did you do it? What did you hope to gain from destroying the longest active marriage in Torn City history?
I racked my brains to imagine who might do such a thing. Was it a jealous ex playing the long game over the course of a decade? Perhaps HatEreD and Amoura had conspired to acquire the title of longest active marriage for themselves? Or maybe one of them was lying, and they simply wanted an excuse to divorce?
Thankfully, this last possibility has been disproven rather swiftly, with Warchild and Bladerunner having made an effort to restore their union almost immediately.
It remains to be seen if the authorities will recognise this unintended break and restore their status as our longest-wedded couple, or if yet another achievement will end up mired in controversy like so many of Torn's statistical milestones.
We also cannot know if any of our city's absent spouses may return in future to reclaim their crown, and if they do, should this be recognised? Furthermore, regardless of whether it is restored or not, should Bladerunner and Warchild's record-breaking marriage also come under scrutiny since Bladerunner took three years away from her own marriage?
It is also uncertain exactly how many of Torn's marriages took place for profit or pleasure, how many of them contain real friendship, and how many people have developed romantic feelings towards their Torn partner - unrequited or otherwise. But one thing that seems certain is that regardless of why they were begun, the people of Torn take their marriages very seriously indeed.
So seriously, that someone felt the need to destroy its longest.
As such, many of these unions have endured to the present day, with the longest active marriage between Bladerunner and Warchild lasting 11 years, 8 months and 21 days - until they broke up last Wednesday.
The reasons for this breakup will be made clear in due course, but first, let us examine what we mean by the term "active marriage". No doubt many may dispute Bladerunner and Warchild's claim for the longest union, but theirs is (or at least was) certainly the lengthiest marriage where both partners remain active and alive in Torn City.
Torn's first official marriages took place in 2005 after new legislation was introduced and several thousand unofficial unions were summarily annulled to the delight of unsatisfied spouses everywhere. Our first documented union took place between noted philanthropist The_Hamster and 277539 on 26th March 2005. However, since The_Hamster has been proven to be an alias for someone operating as an NPC, and his partner has been missing presumed dead for over a year, their partnership does not qualify for the status of Torn's longest marriage.
Torn's second-ever marriage brought 142 and Jollyranchers together in holy matrimony on the 30th of March 2005. Unfortunately, much like 277539, these two have both been missing for quite some time, and in the absence of any evidence to the contrary, this reporter feels safe in declaring them both legally dead. Technically speaking, two people do remain married after death, but the day you dig up your grandparents' corpses to celebrate their Platinum anniversary is the day this paper will come to recognise the enduring marriage of 142 and Jollyranchers.
Unless they turn up alive, of course.
One of the strongest claims to the crown of the longest active marriage in Torn City comes from Xeno and Goldenknight. Theirs is the fourth oldest overall, having begun on the 21st of April 2005. But while Xeno remains active in Torn as of today, Goldenknight has been missing since Monday May 8th 2007, her disappearance coming just two years into their marriage.
Despite the prospect of antagonising someone who almost certainly keeps their wife's decomposed body under the stairs, I asked Xeno about his unusual situation and the circumstances leading up to his partner's sudden and prolonged disappearance.
Xeno has refused to comment on this matter thus far.
Another man who finds himself in this situation is War_Machine_66, who married Evil_Wacky on 9th May 2005. Evil_Wacky disappeared four years ago in April 2013, just one month before their eight year anniversary - a milestone marked in Torn by the exchanging of saliva.
Something else exchanged by Torn's married couple is messages. And, while BadDutchie and Habanero's union is nowhere near as long as some, theirs is by far the most communicative relationship in all of Torn, as they hold the top two spots on Tornstats for the most messages sent to their spouse.
BadDutchie and Habanero celebrated their 1400th day of marriage yesterday, and throughout this period it seems they've barely gone a day without speaking. At the time of writing, this couple is 261 shy of sending 100,000 messages between each other, with BadDutchie the more talkative of the two having sent 50,088 to Habanero's paltry 49,651.
So, the question on everyone's mind is obvious. What the hell do you find to talk about?
"We talk about all kind of stuff from the weather over music, running, what happens around the world and of course the game. We do use iRC but not during daytime when we both are at work." - BadDutchie
"Let's just say we do talk a lot, and that's about almost anything. We don't use chat much, mostly the faction chat during chaining, but we do use IRC a ****ing lot too." - Habanero
Habanero and BadDutchie met elsewhere before Habanero moved to Torn. BadDutchie joined him three days later, and three days after that the pair were married. Intriguingly, the pair reacted differently when I told them how often they spoke to each other, especially when I revealed that it equated to 36 messages per day.
"I wasn't exactly surprised, after all in that former game we had a lot of msg's send too." - BadDutchie
"I was like ****, do we really talk that much?" - Habanero
The discrepancy between their responses was interesting. I wondered how they might reply when I asked them further questions, such as how much their relationship revolved around Torn and achieving success here, whether their union consisted of general friendship or more, and why their relationship was especially strong. Habanero went first.
"I guess that some people you just get along with from the very first moment you meet, and that's what happened when she busted me out of jail. Show love and respect mate, and never be too proud to say sorry if you somehow **** up and ofc being best friends."
"For me communication is a huge part of Torn life, if there wasn't a in game msg part of Torn, we wouldn't be here. And it helps a lot, from the good morning msg, to running the company, buying stocks etc. so yes the day is organise with messages, and lots of them."
"If you marry to get a PI, then there ain't really no need to talk, just pay the rent. But those who get closer, communication will come naturally, perhaps not as much as BadDutchie and I, but it will come and be a part of it all...we often have more convos going at a time, but 60/40 (in favour of Torn business) might be close."
BadDutchie backed up Habanero's assessment of Torn's business-like marriages often being devoid of real friendship, and she also waxed lyrical about why she enjoyed her spouse's company over anyone else.
"I think the secret is the fact we know each other from long before Torn. We respect each other and due the long time we know each other there is trust between us. He was always easy to talk too and in time I've started to like the way he's always honest in what he say and mean, I also like his competitivity a lot but the most I like about him is the fact he don't judge people on their past."
"Most marriages in Torn are just done for the benefits and has most of the time nothing to do with real friendship. To me Habanero is more than just a spouse in an internet game, he became a true friend and yes I believe that if people would be more open, more honest they could benefit from it."
Heartfelt sentiments indeed. Will BadDutchie and Habanero's marriage last another 1400 days? And if so, will it do so in spite of or thanks to their constant communication? That is something we will have to wait and see. But now, let us move on to the matter of Torn City's longest marriage where both partners remain active and kicking.
(Doesn't count)
Congratulations in this respect must go to HatEreD and Amoura, who married on the 12th of September 2005 and who both fulfil the condition of being active within the arbitrary 100-day cut-off point plucked out of my posterior. (This marriage will be deemed ineligible should Amoura not return to Torn within 31 days)
Sadly, this is a record which has changed hands over the five days I have been compiling this article, due to the aforementioned breakup between Bladerunner and Warchild. Having wed on the 1st of July 2005, this was a tragic end to a most beautiful partnership, as until the 22nd of March, Bladerunner and Warchild were still going strong more than a decade on from their big day. I interviewed them in the days before their breakup, and the pair were surprised at my revelation that they were indeed the longest married couple.
"I am surprised by those numbers, thought there would be more. We met when I first created the Bad Moons, I was recruiting members and found Blade on the streets trying to survive, so I recruited her into the Moons. Back when we first got Married we used to communicate all the time but then we were both learning the game and we were there to support each other in our daily struggle in surviving the streets of Torn. These days we talk on the odd occasion. Being Married for 11 years and we both have separate lives in separate countries it does make it difficult to actual get together to chat." - Warchild
"I was aware we have been together for a long time but I never thought we were the longest marriage active. We met in a faction he created but he lives in Australia and I live in Spain so it has been no possible to meet each other in the "real" world. At that time-point we were young so we did not think about it a lot. We were getting along quite well so why not to marry? We have been together since then, same faction, supporting each other in difficult moments - I got hacked and lost almost everything and he was always there to help me - helping completing difficult Missions." - Bladerunner
At the time, Bladerunner and Warchild held the 18th longest marriage in Torn City overall, with their status as the longest running couple coming as a result of 4282 consecutive days of wedded bliss. Such a lengthy commitment intrigued me, as I wondered whether either party had ever been tempted to stray, and also if this Torn marriage had ever manifested itself as anything more.
Warchild was the first of the pair to have his say on the matter.
"Blade has only ever been the one, we had a bond when we first started in the Moons and when the marriages was released we took the chance and got engaged and as they say the rest is history. We have never had an argument. Divorce...never, we will always been here for each other."
"Being married was good to help me push myself forward to provide better housing and nice items for Blade, While having friends play them game as well it is always nice to have someone to be special too. In-game it (romance) would be an interesting idea but no, I have been married for 24 years."
Bladerunner was equally enthusiastic about her union with Warchild, and she elaborated on how their relationship had changed after more than a decade of commitment.
"Nowadays we communicate quite less than at the beginning just in our anniversaries and when we need something from each other, yes definitively it is not the same as at the beginning. I could not have done what I have accomplished in the game without him, he is been my guide and support during all these years and I would not play if he is not with me. I took quite a long break 3 years after we got married, I needed a break because of job reasons, I told him and he understood it and waited for me."
Ross and Rachel comparisons aside, the fact that Warchild remained committed to Bladerunner throughout a three-year break is certainly something to be commended. But Bladerunner's last statement prompted a question in my mind. Namely, what are the real life ramifications of devoting yourself to a Torn City marriage for so many years? If said relationship is unromantic, does this have an impact on real life romantic relationships? Is your Torn life kept secret from your real spouse? And furthermore, what do you genuinely know about this person to whom you have dedicated so many years of your life?
Sadly, Bladerunner is yet to respond to my additional requests for communication. But Warchild did, and he had this to say.
"I have always been here for my Faction member for moral support, and a friend chat if they need it, I have needed to console a few member that had to deal with Bad stuff in RL. As in RL be there to support each other when needed."
"A little I know she was a nurse in Barcelona, being a private person myself I have never pushed anyone for details of their Real Life. My best friend (Antman) plays the game and my wife has always known."
To further illuminate how a Torn relationship might impact your real life, I asked Habanero and BadDutchie the same questions. Habanero told me that BadDutchie was the person he spoke to the most, online or offline, despite them never having met during their eight years of friendship.
"Yes...Hmmm, let's just say that I wouldn't log in on Torn as often during working hours, probably be drunk more often, and my runnings would suck if it wasn't for her."
This wasn't the case for BadDutchie.
"Hmm, don't think so although I have to admit we talk a lot. It's kinda hard to say clearly yes or no, after all I do have a life besides Torn.
I then asked BadDutchie whether or not she had anyone outside of Torn who was jealous of her relationship with Habanero. Curiously, she told me that she did not know why someone should be jealous but seemed to stop short of saying whether or not somebody was.
If you or your partner has experienced any negative real-life consequences from being married in Torn City, please get in contact with me at your earliest convenience. But now, let us finally discover why Torn City's longest active marriage was dissolved on the 22nd of March 2017. Had there been an argument? Was one of them preparing to leave the city? Or was there someone else involved?
Well yes, there was. But not in the way you might expect.
Bladerunner's first and so far her only communication with me came at 8 am on the 22nd of March, when she awoke to discover some shocking news.
"I am sorry for the late reply but I have been really busy lately and also yesterday my husband account got hacked and we are no longer married, hope the administrators can fix it."
I made overtures to Warchild for further clarification, and he responded with a slightly different version of events.
"I was not hacked, I was contacted by Abyram saying she was Bladerunner and her account had been hacked. They were very convincing that they were Bladerunner and would redo their account as Blade, as for why, Some people just have no morals."
I found this story to be astonishing and tragic in equal measure. First of all, who would do such a thing? And second, how could someone successfully mimic a person you have known for more than four thousand days? Warchild attempted to explain.
"No idea who Abyram is, and as far as I can tell no one would benefit from us breaking up, Neither of us have made any real enemies of such."
"As for how, I put it down to a complete lack of sleep and some of the phrases they used or just call it stupidity on my behalf, not 100% sure. I can honestly say I have only been scammed a couple of times, but this is by far the worst one I have had."
"It would be great if Ched could restore our status. But I will propose to Bladerunner again and we will put it down to renewing our vows to each."
Do you know who the identity of the mysterious Abyram? Are you aware of their motives? Perhaps the person behind this identity is reading this article. If so, why did you do it? What did you hope to gain from destroying the longest active marriage in Torn City history?
I racked my brains to imagine who might do such a thing. Was it a jealous ex playing the long game over the course of a decade? Perhaps HatEreD and Amoura had conspired to acquire the title of longest active marriage for themselves? Or maybe one of them was lying, and they simply wanted an excuse to divorce?
Thankfully, this last possibility has been disproven rather swiftly, with Warchild and Bladerunner having made an effort to restore their union almost immediately.
It remains to be seen if the authorities will recognise this unintended break and restore their status as our longest-wedded couple, or if yet another achievement will end up mired in controversy like so many of Torn's statistical milestones.
We also cannot know if any of our city's absent spouses may return in future to reclaim their crown, and if they do, should this be recognised? Furthermore, regardless of whether it is restored or not, should Bladerunner and Warchild's record-breaking marriage also come under scrutiny since Bladerunner took three years away from her own marriage?
It is also uncertain exactly how many of Torn's marriages took place for profit or pleasure, how many of them contain real friendship, and how many people have developed romantic feelings towards their Torn partner - unrequited or otherwise. But one thing that seems certain is that regardless of why they were begun, the people of Torn take their marriages very seriously indeed.
So seriously, that someone felt the need to destroy its longest.
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